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Are you considering relocating your federal career - either by your choice or by Uncle Sam? There are practical issues and concerns to think about when deciding whether or not to relocate. Others have done it while still others have not. This forum will allow for all to offer their insight, post their questions, and help each other out.

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cahoots

#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:23:45 AM(UTC)

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I've recently accepted a position with the Department of the Interior that includes relocation costs (new to the federal government, if that matters). Part of the paperwork has involved signing this form https://www.doi.gov/site...Employment-Agreement.pdf , which includes the line " I hereby agree to remain in the Federal Government Service for twelve months following the effective date of transfer." As I understand it, violating the agreement would mean I'd have to pay back the relocation costs.

However, if I was offered and accepted a new position with a different federal agency a few months in, would I be in violation of the agreement and have to reimburse the government for the moving expenses? Or would it be okay as long as it's another position with the federal government? Similarly, if the new position offered relocation as well, is there any restriction on getting relocation more than once in a twelve month period?

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    #2 Posted : Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:03:08 AM(UTC)

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    Originally Posted by: cahoots Go to Quoted Post

    I've recently accepted a position with the Department of the Interior that includes relocation costs (new to the federal government, if that matters). Part of the paperwork has involved signing this form https://www.doi.gov/site...Employment-Agreement.pdf , which includes the line " I hereby agree to remain in the Federal Government Service for twelve months following the effective date of transfer." As I understand it, violating the agreement would mean I'd have to pay back the relocation costs.

    However, if I was offered and accepted a new position with a different federal agency a few months in, would I be in violation of the agreement and have to reimburse the government for the moving expenses? Or would it be okay as long as it's another position with the federal government? Similarly, if the new position offered relocation as well, is there any restriction on getting relocation more than once in a twelve month period?

    Thanks!

    The agreement is "to remain in the service of the Federal Government" for twelve months following the effective date. The costs are recoverable "in the event that [you] fail to remain in the Federal Government service for a period of 12 months following the effective date…." If you are going to another Federal Government agency, it does not appear to trigger the recovery of the reimbursement. It would be best to check with your servicing HR personnel, but that's the way the agreement you attached reads.

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      frankgonzalez

      #3 Posted : Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:55:26 PM(UTC)

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      Originally Posted by: TheRealOrange Go to Quoted Post

      Originally Posted by: cahoots Go to Quoted Post

      I've recently accepted a position with the Department of the Interior that includes relocation costs (new to the federal government, if that matters). Part of the paperwork has involved signing this form https://www.doi.gov/site...Employment-Agreement.pdf , which includes the line " I hereby agree to remain in the Federal Government Service for twelve months following the effective date of transfer." As I understand it, violating the agreement would mean I'd have to pay back the relocation costs.

      However, if I was offered and accepted a new position with a different federal agency a few months in, would I be in violation of the agreement and have to reimburse the government for the moving expenses? Or would it be okay as long as it's another position with the federal government? Similarly, if the new position offered relocation as well, is there any restriction on getting relocation more than once in a twelve month period?

      Thanks!

      The agreement is "to remain in the service of the Federal Government" for twelve months following the effective date. The costs are recoverable "in the event that [you] fail to remain in the Federal Government service for a period of 12 months following the effective date…." If you are going to another Federal Government agency, it does not appear to trigger the recovery of the reimbursement. It would be best to check with your servicing HR personnel, but that's the way the agreement you attached reads.

      However, barring a waiver for the "needs of the government" (typically meaning Uncle Sam has decided you must move to a new location, not that you applied to a new position and therefore need to move as a result), moving costs are typically only once in a 12 month period. Look in the JTR for more info.

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        cahoots

        #4 Posted : Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:18:08 PM(UTC)

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        Originally Posted by: frankgonzalez Go to Quoted Post

        Originally Posted by: TheRealOrange Go to Quoted Post

        Originally Posted by: cahoots Go to Quoted Post

        I've recently accepted a position with the Department of the Interior that includes relocation costs (new to the federal government, if that matters). Part of the paperwork has involved signing this form https://www.doi.gov/site...Employment-Agreement.pdf , which includes the line " I hereby agree to remain in the Federal Government Service for twelve months following the effective date of transfer." As I understand it, violating the agreement would mean I'd have to pay back the relocation costs.

        However, if I was offered and accepted a new position with a different federal agency a few months in, would I be in violation of the agreement and have to reimburse the government for the moving expenses? Or would it be okay as long as it's another position with the federal government? Similarly, if the new position offered relocation as well, is there any restriction on getting relocation more than once in a twelve month period?

        Thanks!

        The agreement is "to remain in the service of the Federal Government" for twelve months following the effective date. The costs are recoverable "in the event that [you] fail to remain in the Federal Government service for a period of 12 months following the effective date…." If you are going to another Federal Government agency, it does not appear to trigger the recovery of the reimbursement. It would be best to check with your servicing HR personnel, but that's the way the agreement you attached reads.

        However, barring a waiver for the "needs of the government" (typically meaning Uncle Sam has decided you must move to a new location, not that you applied to a new position and therefore need to move as a result), moving costs are typically only once in a 12 month period. Look in the JTR for more info.

        Is that JTR once per 12 month period rule in the FTR too for non-DoD/non-Military positions?
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          #5 Posted : Thursday, December 14, 2017 7:16:57 AM(UTC)

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          Originally Posted by: cahoots Go to Quoted Post

          I've recently accepted a position with the Department of the Interior that includes relocation costs (new to the federal government, if that matters). Part of the paperwork has involved signing this form https://www.doi.gov/site...Employment-Agreement.pdf , which includes the line " I hereby agree to remain in the Federal Government Service for twelve months following the effective date of transfer." As I understand it, violating the agreement would mean I'd have to pay back the relocation costs.

          However, if I was offered and accepted a new position with a different federal agency a few months in, would I be in violation of the agreement and have to reimburse the government for the moving expenses? Or would it be okay as long as it's another position with the federal government? Similarly, if the new position offered relocation as well, is there any restriction on getting relocation more than once in a twelve month period?

          Thanks!

          If you don't mind me asking what job in the DOI and where is it are you taking it? I am actually leaving the DOI this month to go to DOD. I have been with them for 5 years now and overall it's been a pretty good run. They are usually very flexible depending on your supervisor in regards to education, schedule, time off. Good luck to you.
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            #6 Posted : Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:16:25 AM(UTC)

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            Originally Posted by: cyberfx1024 Go to Quoted Post

            If you don't mind me asking what job in the DOI and where is it are you taking it? I am actually leaving the DOI this month to go to DOD. I have been with them for 5 years now and overall it's been a pretty good run. They are usually very flexible depending on your supervisor in regards to education, schedule, time off. Good luck to you.

            I'd prefer to keep it vague so that anyone in the office won't get the wrong idea. But the job I've accepted is very much in line with my interests/education, decent starting pay, and the staff there seem great. The only reason I'm curious about the impacts of transferring early is there is a potential that the job I've been contracting for for awhile will get advertised sometime in the next few months, and my wife and I want to end up back where we are sooner rather than later
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              #7 Posted : Thursday, December 14, 2017 1:09:05 PM(UTC)

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              Originally Posted by: cahoots Go to Quoted Post

              I've recently accepted a position with the Department of the Interior that includes relocation costs (new to the federal government, if that matters). Part of the paperwork has involved signing this form https://www.doi.gov/site...Employment-Agreement.pdf , which includes the line " I hereby agree to remain in the Federal Government Service for twelve months following the effective date of transfer." As I understand it, violating the agreement would mean I'd have to pay back the relocation costs.

              However, if I was offered and accepted a new position with a different federal agency a few months in, would I be in violation of the agreement and have to reimburse the government for the moving expenses? Or would it be okay as long as it's another position with the federal government? Similarly, if the new position offered relocation as well, is there any restriction on getting relocation more than once in a twelve month period?

              Thanks!

              I know what the generic guidance is but I think it depends on the organization. For example mine has a 4 year transportation agreement. If a person leaves our agency, they potentially have to pay it back but I think it would depend how far it was into the agreement and the situation. Just ask HR what your agency's policy is. You don't have to say anything besides that. And I think there might be a restriction on getting 2 paid moves within a year but double check that one.

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                #8 Posted : Friday, December 15, 2017 2:26:15 PM(UTC)

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                Originally Posted by: cahoots Go to Quoted Post

                I've recently accepted a position with the Department of the Interior that includes relocation costs (new to the federal government, if that matters). Part of the paperwork has involved signing this form https://www.doi.gov/site...Employment-Agreement.pdf , which includes the line " I hereby agree to remain in the Federal Government Service for twelve months following the effective date of transfer." As I understand it, violating the agreement would mean I'd have to pay back the relocation costs.

                However, if I was offered and accepted a new position with a different federal agency a few months in, would I be in violation of the agreement and have to reimburse the government for the moving expenses? Or would it be okay as long as it's another position with the federal government? Similarly, if the new position offered relocation as well, is there any restriction on getting relocation more than once in a twelve month period?

                Thanks!

                I know what the generic guidance is but I think it depends on the organization. For example mine has a 4 year transportation agreement. If a person leaves our agency, they potentially have to pay it back but I think it would depend how far it was into the agreement and the situation. Just ask HR what your agency's policy is. You don't have to say anything besides that. And I think there might be a restriction on getting 2 paid moves within a year but double check that one.

                Might want to read it again. If it is the agency I think it is, the four years is for non-agency specific federal service. Also, the agency will not pay for another move within those four moves, but as far as moving to another agency you are free to leave. There is a comprehensive list included with the agreement with all of the exceptions to the four year requirement, and leaving to another agency is one of them.

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                  #9 Posted : Tuesday, December 19, 2017 12:19:01 PM(UTC)

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                  Thanks. It's been a while since I did my last PCS and I remember the 4 year rule but what you say sounds logical. I don't plan on going anywhere soon and my 4 years is up in March. :)
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